{"id":14526,"date":"2014-01-09T19:31:29","date_gmt":"2014-01-10T00:31:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.howderfamily.com\/blog\/?p=14526"},"modified":"2021-11-22T16:29:48","modified_gmt":"2021-11-22T21:29:48","slug":"upstart-eclipses-namesake","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.howderfamily.com\/blog\/upstart-eclipses-namesake\/","title":{"rendered":"Upstart Eclipses Namesake"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>When I think of &#8220;New&#8221; places I tend to fuse together the full placenames mentally into a single phrase and begin to overlook the separate elements. I don&#8217;t forget completely that earlier entities inspired newer ones, although I mostly overlook the original namesake within the larger string.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/96225726@N08\/8844512735\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/live.staticflickr.com\/3748\/8844512735_d9236da7b1_b.jpg\" alt=\"View from the Canal Street \/ Algiers Ferry. Photo by howderfamily.com; (CC BY-NC-SA 2.0)\"\/><\/a><figcaption>St. Louis Cathedral; New Orleans, Louisiana<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>For example, if I considered Orl\u00e9ans in France it would have meaning to me and conjure a specific image, as would the city of New Orleans in Louisiana. However, France&#8217;s Orl\u00e9ans wouldn&#8217;t come to mind when I thought of New Orleans USA, even it it provided the bulk of the latter&#8217;s placename.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Oftentimes settlers tacked New onto very significant placenames, bestowing a little piece from their homeland onto frontier backwaters. London was and continues to be an extremely important city. Nobody would try to argue rationally that London in the UK doesn&#8217;t dwarf in size, reputation and importance the city of New London in Connecticut, USA. I&#8217;m not disparaging New London, of course. I merely want to point out the obvious, that New London, well, it doesn&#8217;t have the same worldwide recognition or relevance of London.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Other times, however, the New location managed to grow in significance over decades or centuries to a point where it actually began to overshadow and eventually surpassed the original namesake.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Biases<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>I recognize that this so-called eclipsing might be culturally, geographically or individually biased. Going back to the New Orleans example I mentioned a moment ago, in my mind New Orleans has eclipsed Orl\u00e9ans. However I&#8217;ve spent a lifetime in the United States, I&#8217;ve been to New Orleans numerous times both for family and business reasons, and Hurricane Katrina had a <a href=\"\/blog\/?p=5761\">direct impact<\/a> on some of my immediate family. Thus, New Orleans figures quite prominently in my consciousness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Would a Frenchman concede that La Nouvelle-Orl\u00e9ans had eclipsed Orl\u00e9ans? Probably not. Let&#8217;s bear that in mind as I offer a few examples. All of them are subjective. Some may even seem ridiculous to those with different perspectives.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">New Zealand<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/maps\/embed?pb=!1m18!1m12!1m3!1d636126.0803077321!2d3.258386323853778!3d51.478946345801205!2m3!1f0!2f0!3f0!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!3m3!1m2!1s0x47c459a7b1a4fcc9%3A0x2a44511b76e2a1b7!2sZeeland%2C%20Netherlands!5e0!3m2!1sen!2sus!4v1586639311889!5m2!1sen!2sus\" style=\"border:0;\" allowfullscreen=\"\" aria-hidden=\"false\" tabindex=\"0\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/history-nz.org\/discovery1.html\" target=\"_blank\">New Zealand derived its name from Zeeland in the Netherlands<\/a>. Dutch explorer Abel Tasman got credit as the first European to spot the islands in the 1640&#8217;s. Dutch cartographers later applied the name Nova Zeelandia \/ Nieuw Zeeland. This later became an anglicized New Zealand and thus a national name to its English-speaking inhabitants.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Zeeland is a province in the southwest corner of The Netherlands with fewer than four hundred thousand residents. New Zealand, on the other hand, became a well-known sovereign state with more than ten times that population. This, to me, seemed to fit the definition of an upstart eclipsing its namesake.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As an aside, sometimes people confuse Zeeland in The Netherlands with Zealand in Denmark, which is the well-populated island that includes Copenhagen. New Zealand got its name from the former, not the latter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">New South Wales<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/maps\/embed?pb=!1m18!1m12!1m3!1d633236.2554652476!2d-3.9424448879246476!3d51.68584652786333!2m3!1f0!2f0!3f0!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!3m3!1m2!1s0x486e3c4fdbc2937b%3A0x6b4d90bcb1d07ce0!2sSouth%20Wales%2C%20Mountain%20Ash%20CF45%204DA%2C%20UK!5e0!3m2!1sen!2sus!4v1586639499318!5m2!1sen!2sus\" style=\"border:0;\" allowfullscreen=\"\" aria-hidden=\"false\" tabindex=\"0\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One should credit Captain James Cook with naming what eventually became the Australian state of New South Wales. That seemed only fair since 12MC discussed places named <a href=\"\/blog\/?p=11403\">for Capt. Cook<\/a> earlier. The Preface to &#8220;Captain Cook\u2019s Journal during his first voyage round the world made in H.M. Bark &#8216;Endeavour&#8217; 1768-71,&#8221; which was a literal transcription of his original journal, noted:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8220;The name, &#8216;New South Wales,&#8217; was not bestowed without much consideration, and apparently at one stage New Wales was the appellation fixed upon, for in Mr. Corner\u2019s copy it is so called throughout, whereas the Admiralty copy has \u201cNew South Wales.&#8217;\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Had the New Wales label stuck instead of New <em>South<\/em> Wales, I&#8217;d have a hard time concluding that it had eclipsed Wales, even with Sydney included as part of the upstart state. I think I&#8217;d probably give the nod to Wales in that instance. However, because the upstart referenced only one portion of Wales (albeit the one including Cardiff, Swansea and Newport) I&#8217;d have to say in my mind that New South Wales had trumped South Wales.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nobody was quite sure why Cook decided to recognize South Wales from what I could find in my limited research.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">New Guinea<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/maps\/embed?pb=!1m18!1m12!1m3!1d16322189.026143437!2d-7.730385812599812!3d2.8424789961933414!2m3!1f0!2f0!3f0!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!3m3!1m2!1s0xfddf81fd107c6f1%3A0xb3533d5635fc1083!2sGulf%20of%20Guinea!5e0!3m2!1sen!2sus!4v1586639690477!5m2!1sen!2sus\" style=\"border:0;\" allowfullscreen=\"\" aria-hidden=\"false\" tabindex=\"0\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This one will take some explanation. I began with the original Guinea, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Guinea_%28region%29\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">that derived<\/a> &#8220;directly from the Portuguese word Guin\u00e9, which emerged in the mid-15th century to refer to the lands inhabited by the Guineus, a generic term for the black African peoples below the Senegal River.&#8221; New Guinea on the other hand is the second largest island after Greenland, shared by the nation of Papua New Guinea and a portion of Indonesia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Certainly there are many other places and things named for ancient Guinea: the African nations of Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Equatorial Guinea came to mind, along with the Bay of Guinea and all of them within proximity of the original Guinea. There are even Guineafowl and Guinea Pigs named for the same place (even though Guinea Pigs were native to South America).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I wouldn&#8217;t suggest that New Guinea should eclipse the collective set of current Guineas, only that it eclipsed <em>ancient<\/em> Guinea since the original place was a general, amorphous 15th Century geographic construct anyway. Many of the other Guineas mentioned may have eclipsed that older place as well. Well, maybe not Guineafowl. Guinea Pig probably has, though.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">How about going back to the USA for some other examples?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Sure. Here are my thoughts:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>York: eclipsed by New York<\/li><li>Jersey: eclipsed by New Jersey<\/li><li>Hampshire and New Hampshire are probably a toss-up with people on respective sides of the Atlantic likely viewing it differently<\/li><li>Mexico: definitely NOT eclipsed by New Mexico<\/li><li>England: definitely NOT eclipsed by New England<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Agreements, dissenting opinions and additional examples are all welcome.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When I think of &#8220;New&#8221; places I tend to fuse together the full placenames mentally into a single phrase and begin to overlook the separate elements. I don&#8217;t forget completely that earlier entities inspired newer ones, although I mostly overlook the original namesake within the larger string. 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