{"id":10792,"date":"2012-05-15T17:35:18","date_gmt":"2012-05-15T22:35:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.howderfamily.com\/blog\/?p=10792"},"modified":"2022-02-08T08:19:11","modified_gmt":"2022-02-08T13:19:11","slug":"brezovica-metliki-malo-lesce","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.howderfamily.com\/blog\/brezovica-metliki-malo-lesce\/","title":{"rendered":"Brezovica pri Metliki &amp; Malo Lesce"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>The border between Croatia and Slovenia turns particularly unusual and twisted at several points west of Zagreb. At one point a little bulb of Croatia protrudes into Slovenia like a geographic hernia. It\u2019s not a practical exclave or a pene-exclave, either. A road goes straight down its pencil-thin neck to connect a small town and a few farmhouses within the bulb to the rest of Croatia. Residents there don&#8217;t need to negotiate any border controls. I\u2019d love to live in a little geo-oddity like that someday.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/maps\/embed?pb=!1m10!1m8!1m3!1d11149.90394746635!2d15.359488!3d45.681419!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!5e0!3m2!1sen!2sus!4v1603922005166!5m2!1sen!2sus\" style=\"border:0;\" allowfullscreen=\"\" aria-hidden=\"false\" tabindex=\"0\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yet, inexplicably, this isn\u2019t even the weirdest thing about that convoluted border. I mentioned Brezovica pri Metliki in <a href=\"\/blog\/?p=9179\">Odds and Ends 3<\/a> some months ago. At the time I said, &#8220;<em>It\u2019s not worth going into detail when it\u2019s already known<\/em>.&#8221; However, slowly, I\u2019ve come to realize that while it may be known in small circles, even those who are aware of it don\u2019t seem to have a lot of details. Otherwise, I wouldn\u2019t receive a steady stream of search engine visitors on that page. All I did was mention Brezovica pri Metliki in passing. Twelve Mile Circle shouldn\u2019t come up on <a href=\"http:\/\/google.com\/search?q=Brezovica+pri+Metliki&amp;oq=Brezovica+pri+Metliki\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">the first page of Google results<\/a> for that topic as it did this evening. That doesn\u2019t make sense.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I still don\u2019t have a lot of information although I\u2019ve learned more than I knew before. Let\u2019s drill down on the neighboring towns of Brezovica pri Metliki and Malo Le\u0161?e, both in Slovenia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"a-closer-look\">A Closer Look<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/maps\/embed?pb=!1m10!1m8!1m3!1d11147.346612685964!2d15.302668!3d45.69424999999999!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!5e0!3m2!1sen!2sus!4v1603922241106!5m2!1sen!2sus\" style=\"border:0;\" allowfullscreen=\"\" aria-hidden=\"false\" tabindex=\"0\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That is one seriously messed-up border. Slovenia bulges into Croatia, but instead of being neat-and-clean like the previous instance, this one twists upon itself in an origami mess. Good luck trying to decipher those boundaries. However, it&#8217;s even more complicated than it appears. Google apparently left off one important detail: a place that is either the most tortured chunk of tethered border area ever conceived, or a true exclave.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Slovensko-hrva%C5%A1ka_meja_pri_Metliki.svg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/thumb\/b\/bc\/Slovensko-hrva%C5%A1ka_meja_pri_Metliki.svg\/1016px-Slovensko-hrva%C5%A1ka_meja_pri_Metliki.svg.png\" alt=\"&quot;Slovensko-hrva\u0161ka meja pri Metliki.&quot; Image by Miha, CC BY 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons\"\/><\/a><figcaption>From Wikimedia Commons<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Observe the squiggle of Croatia running between Brezovica pri Metliki and Malo Le\u0161?e that opens into a little triangular splotch. The &#8220;Boundary Point&#8221; discussion group noticed this patch called Brezovica Zumberacka in 2007 and were still trying to decipher its meaning in 2011. [<em>UPDATE: this was on Yahoo Groups, which no longer exists<\/em>]. Even maps produced locally in Croatia and Slovenia seem to differ in random ways. It&#8217;s not a Croatia versus Slovenia thing. Neither seems to care much about this infinitesimal sliver).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A slight preponderance of evidence seems to imply that it\u2019s <em>probably<\/em> a Croatian exclave. A lot of evidence points the other way too. I\u2019m not sure the discussion has arrived at the point of &#8220;agree to disagree&#8221; as much as it\u2019s become a &#8220;we need someone in Brezovica pri Metliki, Brezovica Zumberacka or Malo Le\u0161?e to look for markers and confirm it one way or the other.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"relevance\">Relevance<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>It does matter, at least for now. Slovenia became a part of the Schengen Area in December 2007. Croatia, conversely, does not fall within the Schengen Area although that\u2019s expected to happen by 2015. Croatian citizens have been <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Schengen_Area\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">granted a special access arrangement<\/a> which eases the crossing into Slovenia although it\u2019s still not completely hassle-free:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8220;Many people living near the border cross it several times a day (some work across the border, or own land on the other side of the border), especially on the border with Slovenia, which was unmarked for centuries as Croatia and Slovenia were both part of the Habsburg Empire (1527\u20131918) and Yugoslavia (1918\u20131991)&#8230; every Croatian citizen is allowed to cross the Schengen border into Hungary, Italy or Slovenia with an ID card and a special border card that is issued by Croatian police at border exit control.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s not unlike <a href=\"\/blog\/?p=10668\">the border situation<\/a> between the United States and Canada created in the wake of 9-11. Cohesive communities formed atop porous boundaries now find themselves split by border controls.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"inconvenience\">Inconvenience<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>I found one <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dnevnik.si\/286241\/lokalno\/286241\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Slovenian article that described some of the issues<\/a> in Brezovica pri Metliki. Translation software got the basic points across. It noted that the convoluted borders caused lots of inconveniences. Residents reported issues with policemen assigned to patrol the border but who did not know the area. Thus they couldn\u2019t distinguish residents from non-residents. Residents also felt under siege. Police constantly requested identification.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This area produced a lot of wine. Unfortunately many vintners owned land on both sides of the border. Now they worried about harvest time. 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